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The Allspark may be connected to The Well Of All Sparks from War Within.

Infact, it seems quite probable that the Allspark is simply an abbreviated term for The Well Of All Sparks, which lies deep underground, close to the heart of Cybertron.

Other Names[]

I always assumed that The Allspark was just a disambiguation of Primus. Which is what I also thought about The Matrix (not the Leadership variety), The Oracle and Vector-Sigma.

And apparently I was misinformed.

And Knowing is half the battle.


The Primus Alpha trion chats with int he TFU comics is vastlly different from the alllsparkk Primal and Botanica commune with during Beast machines. the confusion is that the Allspark, the Oracle, and Primus are so... interlocked. Th Allspark, for instance, onyl seems to 'step in' halfway through BM when Megatron's corrupting program has rendered the Oracle unable to get shit done, and it friggin' NEEDS someone to do something. Oracle = Semi-cryptic Allspark = Acid Trip metaphor-visions Primus = Capable of witty conversation basically, that's how you can easily tell them apart. (especialyl when you start getting into things liek Cybertron Primus, which is more disembodied.)

Hell, Primus is complicated enough by himself. The way I see it, the Oracle is just an evolved Quint AI program.

The Allspark is the absolute essence of Primus. A Transformers Spark is just a tiny tiny portion of the Allspark. Primus's essence is ALL the Allspark. His perspective is such that he's utterly beyond mortal comprehension. However, if he feels like it, he can "talk down" to us by one means or another.

It's like Primus lets tiny "pieces" of himself go so that they can gain knowledge & experience and then eventually return, bringing it all back to him. It's a neat way of "powering up" while he's "sleeping", and it was probably part of Primus's plan to defeat Unicron, given how poorly he seemingly did the first time around.

Fancruft alternate theory[]

When I was watching Beast Wars / Machines, I saw it monotheistically. That is, Primus was not the Allspark, but the Creator of the Universe AND the Allspark. The Allspark was, in my interpretation, a multidimensional being of much power and little experience. When the Quintessons needed a true randomization and personality generator for their robots, they used pieces of the AllSpark. This is the reason all Transformers long to "all be one". This is based on G1 and BW/BM only, so comics and later TV and comic series can't be viewed this way, but it was remarkably self-consistent with the show at the time. --71.213.138.218 23:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


Confusion by Beast Wars team[]

It seems to me that, when watching the Generation 1 film, Prime stated "Soon, I shall be one with the Matrix." As it was later revealed, the Matrix was where the wisdom of ancient Autobots was contained to bring strength and guidance to the current Prime. His statement, however, could have lead to the confusion between the Allspark and the Matrix, which are obviously two totally different things. The Beast Wars writers must have assumed that, since the Matrix is a piece of Primus, and the Allspark is Primus's collective spark, that the Matrix was another name for the Allspark. Of course, there was no evidence to support that all Autobots transcended to the "Matrix," since Prime had only indicated that he himself would join the Matrix. In an attempt to add depth to the series, as we all know, the Beast Wars team did indeed invent the concept of the spark well AFTER Generation 1, but one can see where the confusion lies in retrospect. It is such that I feel that the fandom should recognize the "Matrix," as singularily the item of power which becomes fused with the spark of the Prime, and the "Allspark," is the Well of Sparks, and the originator/afterlife of the Transformers, and not get the two confused at all.

There have been plenty of Generation 1 stories after Beast Wars that took the Spark/Allspark concept onward. Check out the MTMTE profile guide (and probably the DK Ultimate Guide), in the back, where it talks about these concepts at length. Also, the article at retcon. Brilliant textwork! --67.188.23.44 22:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Movie AllSpark[]

Just a note... it looks like the movie MacGuffin's "official" capitalization is "AllSpark". This probably doesn't warrant its own page (I've already made a redirect), we should probably go about fixing this on Movie pages... um... because. And for future notice. --M Sipher 05:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

As long as we're discussing major changes- I feel like this page should be about the movie version first, due to prominence, and the BW.BM stuff moved down below. -Derik
We don't order things fictionally due to prominence. --ItsWalky 05:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Chronological then! BM is certainly later in the timeline! -Derik 05:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
We're not putting the movie stuff first, Derik. --ItsWalky 05:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Uh... yeah. That would be dumb. And I was only talking about changing it to "AllSpark" for SPECIFICALLY the movie MacGuffin, not every instance of the term ever. --M Sipher 05:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

So in Dreamwave's Armada continuity the Matrix is mysteriously absent.... but there's a Hhydroelectric dam called the Allspark. This is a coincidence, right? No relation to the used-to-power-a-planet and -stored-in-hoover-dam renamed-Matrix Allspark in the movie?

I'm just asking, should the dam be merged into this article? -Derik 05:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

No. The Allspark power plant is just a power plant named after the Transformers message board. --ItsWalky 05:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
And I'm sure Hoover Dam isn't... wait, no, that doesn't work as a comeback. It would only work if Herbert Hoover had transfered his mind into the Dam like Boltax, so that Hoover Dam was Hoover.
(actually, that sounds kinda cool.) -Derik 06:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems the decision has been made to keep the BW and Movie Allsparks as one page. I want to kinda question that. Other than the fact that both grant TFs life they are VERY different things. One is a dimension consisting of the essence of Primus (in the concepts final evolved form). The other is a mysterious artifact, a cube, that grants any machine that comes near it life (though not neccissarily sentience). That's a much bigger difference (known dimension vs mysterious artifact) than that between the Movie and G1 Arks and THEY get seperate pages. I think the combination here is rather forced and disrruptive.--ZacWilliam 19:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
The "BW" Allspark is, by definition, a multiversal thing. Until we get more information on the Movie All Spark, which, as you say, is a "mysterious artifact," I don't think we know enough to say they're irreconcilable. --ItsWalky 21:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


It says the movie All Spark cube shrunk in "size and mass". Do we know what the big cube weighed somehow? (I like the idea of a cubical zeppelin, myself.) --17:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

If it was always just a few kilograms, they could have moved it instead of building a dam over it. Also, they could have got it to rest level on the ground instead of leaving it crooked. Also, there would be nothing magic about it shrinking if it weren't heavy. So basically... no, we don't know that it was heavy, but come on. --Steve-o 23:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Prop pic?[]

I assume SOMEONE here has saved it from the ebay auction, and will put it on the page? Yes? --M Sipher 05:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I have, and will do so eventually. --ItsWalky 07:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose we change main pic of Sam's article to that black-background one where he looks 'bad ass' holding the cube. --FFN 10:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Parsing[]

Frenzy's subtitles parse the plot device's name as "All Spark". Are we going to go with that? Interrobang 06:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Pleasures of heaven?[]

Maybe I'm missing the reference/joke but I don't get the bit about the cube granting the "pleasures of heaven" and that linking to the Demon in the dark from the Marvel Comic. Anyone able to explain?--ZacWilliam 22:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a reference to the Wikipedia:Lament Configuration from the Hellraiser franchise, the engravings of which tell of bestowing the "pleasures of heaven" upon those who can solve it. Unfortunately, this was engraved by a masochist, so to him "pleasures of heaven" meant "leather-clad demons from depths of hell rip your skin off"--Speedbreaker 22:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Hmm. I'm not against the reference joke, but I question it's current format. Not knowing about hellraise it seemed to me like the pleasures of heaven but was something official from some anticillary material I didn't know. Jokes are good but when they become missleading about the actual facts the wiki is here to record that's not a good line to cross.--ZacWilliam 23:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I have changed it into a more well-known Hellraiser reference. --Thylacine 2000 13:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Seriously Consider Splitting[]

Really. Read the top part of this page that refers to the "Allspark" and then read the bottom half that refers to the "All Spark" they REALLY are two very different things, with different powers, differnt natures, and with different designations even. Does anyone have any good argument for keeping these two as one page?--ZacWilliam 03:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree on this one.--MCRG 04:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Seconded. -Rotty 05:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Totally in agreement. Split 'em. -- Dark T Zeratul 05:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, but what do we name the AllSpark/All Spark article? Interrobang 06:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


Where to put a Japanese name[]

As inconsequential as it is, I figured since we include all Japanese names that we might want to include this one. In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, when Rhinox travels into the Matrix Dimension, they refer to it as the "Matrix Zone". Couldn't find a good place to stick that, though, without it looking awkward. --DrSpengler 21:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Need (Dimension) and (Artifact) tags.[]

I think it would help stop folks from trying to add the Movie Allspark here, as just happened. And clarrify what each article is for. Yes? --ZacWilliam 00:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

It would be a break in the article-naming schema we use, since the two are spelled differently. Personally I would rather make an exception by adding another, more obvious disambig notice or a short "It is very similarly named to the big-ass cube from the movie." sentence to the end of the introduction. I think of article titles as something we should keep pretty rigid. (Although admittedly I'm aware of a bunch that should be moved to fit the scheme that I've been too lazy to fix.) --Steve-o 05:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Thing is, they not "really" spelled different at all, they're just parsed different. Someone who's not studied in TFs enough to need to look up Allspark/All Spark quite possibly has no idea that one is written with a space and one isn't. It's REALLY close and very easily confused, enough to forgive the tags I think. But, I also agree that a more obvious disambig note on the page would also solve the problem, so if that works better for folks it'll do the job fine too. --ZacWilliam 10:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
"Parsed" differently, whatever. When I say they are spelled differently, I mean there is a different set of characters in the name of one than the name of the other. A space is a character, as far as computers and typing are concerned. I am not, however, expecting anybody except uberfans to realize ahead of time that they have slightly different names and correctly search for the one they want. All I'm saying is that if two article titles are different by even one character, I would prefer we not use a parenthetical on them. Perhaps I'm being too pedantic and everyone will disagree with me, but that's my own preference. I'm happy to make an exception in the because of the likely confusion, but prefer the exception be in the articles' content rather than their titles. --Steve-o 14:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Either's really fine with me. Long as it does the job. Consider it done and done. :) --ZacWilliam 14:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Unicron Trilogy[]

Unicron's Transformers Armada bio seems to treat the All Spark - or an All Spark - as the creator of Primus and Unicron. Uh, how does this get classified?

Unicron's Bio Card

Was this retconned later? I had the impression that a later piece of material turned the All Spark into the One (vis-a-vis Primus/Unicron's creator), but I'm not sure if that was a UT-specific tidbit or not... -- Monzo 01:11, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd call it an error. The terminolory and origin appear (almost word for word) in both some Armada Readers Digest books and the Ultimate Guide, but there's it's 'the Creeator' or 'The One.' Tying it to the allspark in any way makes no sense. I reccomend making it a trivia note. -Derik 01:32, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed contents[]

http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Allspark&diff=268058&oldid=261498

  • The term "Allspark" will likely be used from now in all subsequent Transformers franchises on to describe the object previously known as the Matrix. This is to prevent any trademark conflicts with a little-known film franchise from the Wachowski brothers.
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