Talk: Spark

The Belarian comment is awesome. I bet no one got that one. "There's a ferret cage by the wall if anyone needs it..."

For now, I've put this in the "technology" category, although that doesn't really seem like the right place. I hesitate to even put it under "objects", where "technology" currently resides. Basically, "objects" needs a better name. Yes, I'm the one that put that name there in the first place. It still stinks.

--Steve-o 04:39, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Added Magmatron/Prowl'd Death scene

Rattrap's quote about Carbon Scoring is, IIRC, found in Revelations. They are able to tell the bodies int he bonyard had their sparks extracted not snuffed because extinguishing a spark leaves carbon scoring.

Though inappropriate to make such a parallel connection in the G1 secon, I think it fits in prperties of sparks? (The factoid shoudl be there at any rate. S teve, it's your baby. If you dont' liek it just makrk the picture for deletion.) -Derik 04:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I took the picture out. Who knows what that smoke and light was. It could be his spark flaring out, or it could just be fire and smoke. I moved the comment itself into the properties section, though. --Steve-o 17:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Was it on-screen or in-print that Alpha-Q's new body was made of Terrorcon bones? - Ratbat 05:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

BT and Linkage comments

I've removed, for now at least, the comments about BinalTech and Linkage. I see that the Fantofan translation for Smokescreen GT mentions his spark, but the approved translations by Doug Dlin don't seem to. It's not a huge leap, I suppose, but I'd rather be more precise about it. If people think it should go back in, we can work on a better way of describing it. And, obviously, it should go in the "properties" section with the stuff about multiple bodies, rather than the "establishment" section.

Regarding Linkage: I just reread it the other night after seeing the comment that was placed in the article, and it seems to me that it is an overstatement to claim that "The manga Linkage established that Mini-Cons and humans have thier own analogues to sparks and the Allspark." Although Redline tells Stella that Mini-Con souls branched off from human souls, that does not mean that humans are part of the Linkage (which I am taking to be the Mini-Con's Allspark analog). I'm open to putting some statement about this back into the article, but I didn't like the way it was initially written.

Comments are welcome.

--Steve-o 17:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

The Linkage sure as hell looks like a Mini-Con Allspark analogue to me... and yes, there's really nothing to indicate that humans have their own. At least, nothing in TF fiction. - User: M Sipher

What G1 sparks do to beasites

How about a comment on Optimus Prime's spark turning Optimus Primal into Optimal Optimus, and G1 Megatron's spark turning Beast Megatron into a dragon? Crockalley 18:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization?

Optimal Optimus' Titanium packaging showed up today, and the bio repeatedly capitalizes "Spark." I think it's a proper noun! --ItsWalky 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Now that I look into it, Spark is capitalized throughout the Ultimate Guide, too. Man, no wonder I capitalized them when I first started working on the wiki. WHO MADE ME STOP. THIS IS YOUR FAULT. --ItsWalky 14:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm betting Steve. He's the one who decapitalized Seeker and Skyraider at one point, after all. Man hates capital letters.

-LV 16:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

That's what he said this morning when I brought it up! Someone needs to take care of him. --ItsWalky 19:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought this was odd when I first started poking around, and I wondered why it had been decided not to capitalize Spark. It sure seems like as proper a noun as one can get, but then again, it's akin to "heart", and that is not capitalized either.

I thought the lower-case Energon was odd, too, since it's a specific type or format of energy, but I think I just defeated myself with the heart analogy. --Sntint 05:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

That's more or less my thinking on it, yeah. We don't capitalize the world "soul", either, nor do we capitalize the names of most substances. Plus I found it non-capitalized in a bunch of places that I considered meaningful, like the original script for "The Spark". Lots of words in TF get inconsistent capitalization from source to source, and this is one of them. Citing a few examples either way doesn't really carry much weight unless those examples are somehow important examples. --Steve-o 05:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Laser Core?

I know that some (Most?) think that Laser Core is a G1 term for 'Spark', but I always figured a transformer's Laser Core was it's central power source...the Heart, compared to the Spark's 'Soul'. Where in humans it's Mind, Heart, Soul, in Transformers, it would be Datatrax, Laser Core, Spark. Am I the only one who thought this? --Kendrakirai 21:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I think fans associated the term with TF's because Megatron made a comment about the 'last spark' being extinguished... or something along those line.

That said- Laser Core is the Spark Housing. read this tech-spec. We also later got a hybrid term 'spark core' somewhere. Laser Core is != the spark, but it's apparently part of the physical inteface with it, BW Fractyl suffered a near-fatal laser core misalignment after a bad reformatting. -Derik 22:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm, I'm not sure about that, but I suppose I'll accept it for now. Personally though, I'll still think of the Laser Core as the 'heart' -Kendrakirai 17:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Vok Nebula?

There is a difference between Geneneration 1 Transformers and Protoform Transformers' sparks. G1 Transformers' sparks are small fragments of Primus's lifeforce, while Protoform Transformers' sparks are small fragments split from Vok Nebula. The good sparks will be sent to the Matrix and the evil sparks will be sent to the Pit.

I do not think I like this crazy Japanese interpretation of canon.--Rosicrucian 16:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this crazy japanese canon should be given the ammount of emphasis it now has. Should be toned back to acnoledge its obscurity and weirdness.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.142.128 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 8 September 2007.

Actually it is not Japanese canon. This concept only exist in original Beast Wars. Also, those background settings come from Larry Ditillio. btw, no mean to offend, no matter how imaginative Japanese are, they can't create such complex background setting in Transformers Universe.--TX55 17:52, 8 September 2007

No the concept is most definately NOT in the original BW. Those were concepts thought up by the writers and never used and afterward contridicted by latter Official material and so not part of BW canon. *IF* the Japanese book You have linked this to says they are true than they ARE part of Japanese continuity only. Otherwise they aren't part of ANY canon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.235.142.128 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 September 2007.

Have to agree. As DiTillio didn't use this concept in the series itself, and as DiTilllio and Forward disagreed on a number of plot concepts, I don't think we can treat it as canon. It certainly can be put into the Trivia section as an interesting factoid though.--Rosicrucian 20:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

All of this stuff is seemingly coming from a section of the book that was recently translated and is being passed around. Assuming the translation is accurate, it does not say that any of this stuff is "true". It is all just Larry DiTillio saying these are some of his ideas. Ideas which we know from the past are mutually exclusive with Bob Forward's ideas, some of which were later given a little canonical weight and many of which have been contradicted. Any additions to articles on the basis of the BWU translation must be put in that proper context. Also, since the document says that the "Vok nebula" is the same thing as the Allspark dimension, we really don't need a "Vok nebula" article. --Steve-o 20:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the carelessness that I didn't saw the above. Actually the document said that the "Vok Nebula" is later replaced with Allspark in Beast Machines instead of "Vok Nebula is the same thing as the Allspark". And I think placing the Vok Nebula in Allspark article would be something weird, so I start a new article. --TX55 11:29, 9 September 2007

No, what it says about the nebula is "It is also the true form of the Matrix Dimension..." This is a pretty clear statement that Vok Nebula = Matrix Dimension, and we already know that Matrix dimension = Allspark, so... --Steve-o 19:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I've placed the text online for all to read so they know what the heck we're talking about. --Steve-o 19:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, yeah. That's all DiTillio and unsupported by the fiction, especially the bits where Voks invented Protoforms and Beast Era Sparks. DiTillio had a lot of ideas on the Vok, but as I stated in Talk:Beast Wars Universe we really need to make sure we're attributing these correctly and not treating it as anything official. Is it interesting and deserving of mention in places? Certainly. However, articles like Vok Nebula, Matrix (facility) and similar are a step in the wrong direction I feel.--Rosicrucian 20:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Matrix facility seems to be made canon by a club-exclusive story as well as the Pit facility despite there are several other sources of protoforms in the canon. But I admit I miss-interpreted about some concept and caused a little problem, I apologize for this. And Thank Steve-o for the translation work. :) --TX55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have access to the club-exclusive story?--Rosicrucian 00:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

That would mean someone would have to read it... --ItsWalky 02:39, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

However painful it might be, I'd certainly prefer that to "Well, Larry DiTillio says it exists and this fan club story that I haven't read confirms it."--Rosicrucian 02:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

If you're on AIM, msg me and I'll paste you the relevant text, it's just a couple paragraphs. -Derik 02:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I scanned through Razor's Edge earlier today. It mentions the Matrix facility exactly once, and the Pit zero times. The sentence in question is, "She had only come online about four Stellar Cycles ago, her body forged from the Matrix facility where Sparks were joined with new Protoforms in a rital so sacred few Maximals witnessed it." This says nothing about the facility itself except that it exists. It's a long way from a full-on insertion of the "mysterious thing that appeared out of nowhere" into BW-cartoon-for-sure-not-some-closely-parallel-world. --Steve-o 04:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Wing Saber could not help but to smile back in appreciation and nodded. She said “Command, I do not understand how they‟re giving these Transformers life. Only the Matrix and Pit facilities on Cybertron can do that.”

Page 15/45. -Derik 04:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Huh... weird... I just tried again, and the text search in my Foxit Reader skips right past that sentence on searches for either word, but Adobe catches it... --Steve-o 04:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Animated Starscream

Due to fragments of the Allspark, Animated Starscream and his clones are apparently able to function normally despite completely lacking an actual Spark. Should this be noted on the Spark page? Maybe a new section under Abberant Sparks?--Inevitable Betrayal 19:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)